Posts by drew sagan

18

I realize I am taking up space and your time but I appreciate it

by BonaFide in

jw
friends

i understand i jump around too much in my comments.

my add gets worse when i get nervous.

plus i know there are topics that could be more academic.

drew sagan

I feel like a sinner, then I feel like I am a fun guy, then I feel like a loser, then I feel like a good Witness, then I feel like a bad Witness, then after a good workout I feel like chasing girls, then I feel bad again.

It's an endless cycle. After spending hundreds of hours in Watchtower indoctrination sessions (meetings) you really can't be expected to act any other way. The Watchtower does a great job of making the lives of their members confusing and stressful. That's what I experienced in the JWs as well as many others.

I suggest you read Crisis of Conscience. Not only is it one of the first stepping stones people take in leaving the group, but it is an excellent tool to help cope with being a JW, especially with the situation you are in.

12

My seperation/Divorce up-date. Un-believable what she wants!

by Witness 007 in

my wife asked for a seperation last week.

she rattles off a huge list of wrong things, like dress better when going out {wear a jacket?

} and be more ambitious like her since she would have been a millioniare if i wasn't holding her back?

drew sagan

Seems like she is taking out all her frustrations, insecurities and failed hopes out on you, when in reality the source of her problems mainly comes from within herself.

I've seen this before. They think the grass is so much greener on the other side. I suppose you just have to find a way to let her go and do her thing without getting involved.

Truth of the matter is that you are what she blames for everything. If she does leave you she probably will go out into the world, fail big time and then say it was your fault for holding her back so many years and that she lost the prime of her lift. Expect the cycle of no personal responsibility to continue indefinitely.

36

Another convention - What should my sign have written on it?

by tryingtounderstandjws in

jw
friends

another convention is taking place in my neighborhood this weekend.

i see them from my office lining up to get in.

what should the sign say?

drew sagan

Jesus didn't choose your leaders in 1919: Read the Finished Mystery!

9

WT Study vs Public editions(the new bait & switch?)

by kzjw in

jw
friends

i grabbed one of the public editions of the wt from the wife's car yesterday.

o noticed there was no mention of the fds, god's org or any of the hardline stances found in the study editions.

no verses frorm matt 24, proverbs 4 or any of the other standard verses found inthe kool-aid versions, but a host of others concerning the holy spirit.... so how is the wtbs still so successful at the age old bait & switch?.

drew sagan

Yes, it is basically what you say.

I tend to see the Watchtower Society as deniers of their own self proclaimed revelations. The end goal of their ministry is to convince people that the leadership of the organization has been chosen by God at a specific time and place in modern history. Only problem is that such a message can sound pretty crazy so it is best if they do not present it to a person until they agree with many other things the religion teaches first.

I would direct you to their "Bible Teach" book, the publication used to recruit new believers. This book does not even mention the term 'faithful slave' in it.

For what it's worth, I think that it has always been a bait and switch. I became a member in the late 90's, at time when the faithful slave was mentioned in the publications. I had only a foggy idea of what the slave really was. I remember being told that if anything didn't make sense "it would come in time".

See this post of mine in which I discussed this in detail

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/157371/1.ashx

20

"If you are Christian you are definately Trinitarian"

by Sirona in

my jw mother thinks that all christians (non jws who call themselves christian) are all trinitarian.. i tried to point out that there are certain groups who are not trinitarian, but she seemed to think that all christian groups in babylon the great believe in the trinity.. is it true that only fringe groups reject the trinity?.

sorry for my ignorance but i don't know much about mainstream christianity.. i would like to email her (my mum) a list of religions which reject the trinity but are also christian.

i also heard of groups who believe and preach about jehovah as gods name.. sirona.

drew sagan

these people are non-trinitarian:

http://www.stfonline.org/

25

Scientology: Better Or Worse Than JW's?

by gloobster in

jw
friends

not sure if i think scientology is better or worse than the j-dubs.

they are pretty effed up, but at least they don't try to hide behind the bible.. anyone?.

drew sagan

Witnesses hide behind the guise of God and that is pure evil in its essence. The scientologists however are pure nuts though but at least dont do it in the name of God.

Instead they do it all in the name of "Science" and then hide behind that. They even have some front organizations that go by different names in order to push their cause.

Hide behind God, hide behind science, what's the difference.

8

Need help debunking criticism; any scholars or those with Bible insight?

by The Nothing Man in

i have worked on a piece for a while now, you may have come across several of my questions posed to this board already.

this was all for the purpose of debunking some unsubstantial, unorthodox criticisms of the bible.

i am looking for any like minded person, with a little bit of time on their hands, which could help me to debunk some of the unorthodox theories set forth in this criticism.

drew sagan

Don't leave the door open too wide because JCanon will just force his way in!

25

Scientology: Better Or Worse Than JW's?

by gloobster in

jw
friends

not sure if i think scientology is better or worse than the j-dubs.

they are pretty effed up, but at least they don't try to hide behind the bible.. anyone?.

drew sagan

Much worse.

Scientology has been know to use personal files kept on members that contain sensitive information and use it to extort money out of their followers. From what I understand the Scientology organization is very unlike the JWs in the sense that those at the top know it is a scam, and so are willing to sink to even lower depths in order to get what they want.

I really think the biggest different is Scientologys thirst for money. They will take every penny you have and then ask for more. The JWs are not nearly as aggressive in this respect. Scientology also goes through a lot of effort to try and destroy their ex-members through emotional, financial, and legal means.

27

E-Watchman and JW Reform

by insearchoftruth in

i have read some very interesting and thought provoking articles on the subject sites.

having never been a jw, what is the feeling of a 'run of the mill' witness towards these sites sympathetic towards the general doctrines of the wts, but calling for some major reforms?.

drew sagan

I fully believe that JW 'reformers' are actually a much more threatening force to the Watchtower than those who no longer believe any of the WTS teachings. Those who say it must reform typically have a better time convincing those within the group that dissent from leadership is needed. This is how many other groups have collapsed and it may yet be the path of the JWs.

15

New Mac user here...need help!

by wings in

jw
friends

i just added camino as my browser, thought that would fix it, but i still can't post on jwd like i could on my pc.

i love this computer, except for my jwd limitations.

wings

drew sagan

Yeah, it's easy to post here on a mac but you don't get all the little extras!